Posts by Black Man

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What should the WTBS do?!?!

by LDH in

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friends

well guys sorry i haven't participated much lately, i've been really busy.

but, i do have a question that i would really appreciate all of your input on.. it is no secret that young people are leaving jws faster and faster.

it is no secret that most jws are disappointed, and hurt by lack of prophecy fulfillment.. so here's what i was thinking: i'm going to post some very personal thoughts on what *i* think they need to do in order to stop the loss of almost 50,000 disfellowshipped and probably 4x that to inactivity.

Black Man

This is a good-ass topic. This goes back to the top...

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Hello Bethel! Are You Listening? Wake Up!

by Room 215 in

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friends

hello bethel,.

by now it's clear to all observers that the organization is running out of steam, especially in the developned nations, and no amount of hyped-up propaganda about ``quick-build'' kingdom halls, standing up to the nazis, lifetime experiences of pioneers, etc., etc.

can rectify.. what's needed urgently:.

Black Man

Metatron:
Yeah...it would be intersting if a spotlight can be shown on their money, but it'll never happen. The Society are SHREWD financial specialists. They got monies coming in from the stock market, r & f donations, bonds, real estate and etc., etc.

It's something that for an organization that strong-armed their flock NOT to invest in worldly riches, they have enough capital to fund a small country.

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back to basics

by cnn77 in

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friends

as soeone raised in the truth my whole life i am struggling with a basic doctrinal issue.

the issue has to do with universal sovreignty and the ransom sacrifice.

let me try to illustrate by way of analogy:.

Black Man

up.....

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FYI- Understanding HIgh Control Groups better

by JT in

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friends

fyi.

some info you may want to put into your files when it comes to dealing with those involved in high control groups like wt-.

recently we have all seen how many on the net have sent tons of info to their family and friends on the un issue .

Black Man

Sending this back up...............

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JW Culture has Changed!

by Amazing in

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friends

in the late 1960s, i became a jw.

there was a sense of intellectual freedom and more openness to discuss various spiritual and even some social topics.

there was reliance on watch tower literature as an authority, but still the soiciety seem to confine its concerns and left the rest up to individual jws to decide.

Black Man

Actually, the monitoring was done in a more "official" capacity on the circuit and district levels. If you were a brother trying to climb the "ladder" you best believe you needed to stick to the script...especially on the district levels. If you didn't you could expect to be "clowned" and not used for awhile.

I remember this one brother who was a dynamic speaker and strayed a little from the manuscript on the district and as a result he sat for awhile. Brothers in the Chairman's office chastised him and he didn't have a part on the DA for many years. He was black-balled for awhile. Monitoring was mos-def more rigid on the district level. Circuit level afforded SOME leeway unless you got up there an cracked one too many jokes or deviated extremely from the manuscript or outline.

Of course if you were a GB, Bethel heavy, or DO you'd be exempt from most of the monitoring BS.

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Legal takeover and Dismantling of the WT Possible?

by Pathofthorns in

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friends

the events of the last couple weeks with regard to the un scandal got me thinking that the time climate is increasingly right for the legal takeover and dismantling of the wt.. i know that is a crazy thought, but could it somehow be possible?

now that the gb resigned from their posts, could a rutherford-style takeover happen?.

the un scandal signifies utter betrayal of the membership.

Black Man

JT:

Your comments are completely and unequivocally ON-POINT!

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Nov. 8 Awake - Wife Beaters-Sick

by MrMoe in

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friends

i will let you all hang who ever the heck wrote this crap.

november 8, 2001 awake page 9: some battered women may need to seek assistance from the authorities.

at times, a point of crisis-such as intervention of the police-can cause an abusive man to see the seriousness of the action.. page 12: should the battered wife leave her husband?

Black Man

JT said:

WT get away words:

PERHAPS
MAYBE
COULD BE
LIKELY
APPEARS
SEEMLY
POSSIBLY
ETC

it is with these words the wt lays out the dogmas on so many issues
so that when they need to change they can say

WE DIDN'T SAY FOR SURE OR DEFINTELY ONLY maybe

and you guys took it the rest of the way
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JT, my man YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD!! It's something how they expect unequivocal loyalty to their dogmas and policies while CLOAKING them with legalistic verbiage that leaves them unaccountable when someone calls them out on it. That aspect of the WTBS has bugged the hell outta me for as long as I can remember.

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The Serpent Ate the Fruit

by Black Man in

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i remember in one of my bethel entrants school classes, the instructor commenting on the events that went down in genesis chapter 3 and commenting that one of the reasons why the serpent was so persuasive was because he "evidently" partook of the tree of the knowledge of good and bad.

because he had taken such a course, he could persuasively convince eve to do the same.

i can't remember what source material he used to support this assertion.

Black Man

And that's it was presented to me. The serpent partaking of the tree, seemingly gaining the ability to talk AND discerning what is good and bad and then presenting this offer to Eve of even GREATER ENLIGHTMENT that God did not want her to acquire. That supposedly is why the woman didn't find it so hard to believe that the snake was talking to her. The snake made it seem as if the "tree" had granted it the ability to converse and be enlightened.

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